• Dentarthurdent replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    Gosh, look away for a couple of days and the comments fill up.
    @thane16 Syzygy (I thought I posted this) That lecture was in Bill Potts first episode, The Pilot. Transcript at chakoteya.net.
    I thought the idea that Rose(2) could solve the metacrisis by being non-binary – it didn’t really make sense to me, and it felt distinctly forced – RTD…[Read more]

  • syzygy replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    Oops -Davros not Dacron!

  • ps1l0v3y0u replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @thane16 @whohar @dentarthurdent @janetteb

    RTD1: weird narcissistic racism, venal politicians, polyamory, shaggy dog stories about royal malaises, tech monocultures, nerds and their love interests,  racism in the past, environmental collapse, imperial heritage, more venal politicians, assisted weight loss, slavery, xenosexuality, super-wealthy…[Read more]

  • WhoHar replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @thane16 @ps1l0v3y0u

    As the Doctor was male, he couldn’t let go of the Dr/Donna crisis

    Which is weird if you think about it. Imagine it had been written the other way around.

    Also the Doc had just been female and this “ability” to shrug this off had never been explored.

    The messaging is fine, but the delivery was woeful. There seemed to be a l…[Read more]

  • syzygy replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @ps1l0v3y0u oh boy! I had to Google the C Warrior sketch….. indeed, a woman’s brain….!

    And fair enough one could say it’s “people, dude, relax, it’ll work.” And that’s great but if that’s how Rose’s journey progressed following this episode, it’s a problem- a small one perhaps, but the development was thin as a nail.

  • ps1l0v3y0u replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @thane16 @dentarthurdent @whohar @janetteb

    On the face of it, the ‘let it go’ moment is definitely a bit clumsy. Or you could read it as a generic ‘hey, these are just people’ statement.’ Or it’s RTD getting his revenge in first. I wasn’t studying the forums or meta at that stage, but I imagine Russ knew what was coming.

    Otherwise you wonder if…[Read more]

  • syzygy replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @whohar @ps1l0v3y0u @dentarthurdent @janetteB  Another thought that our son had in reference to RTD2 comeback were these specific issues of identity.

    As the Doctor was male, he couldn’t let go of the Dr/Donna crisis, but Donna could pass the meta crisis energy to her non-binary daughter so this burden was split & Donna avoided inevitable le…[Read more]

  • syzygy replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @whohar  quite. I was reading, a couple of years back, how the Knowledge illusion convinces us that the collective knowledge of our community exists equally within each of us when this is a furphy.

    By using only our individual stories (of class, family,) we put ourselves against others with different perspectives or stories (even those with…[Read more]

  • WhoHar replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @thane16

    yes, the more we focus on identity politics, the less focus exists on working class & middle class oppression thru an overall mismanagement of economic opportunity & the foundational roots of exploitation & marginalisation

    Agreed. Class is the one thing that’s never mentioned, and some studies have shown it is this one single factor that…[Read more]

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  • syzygy replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @whohar yes, the Christian Right who are very often neither 😉

  • syzygy replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    To all….. this is a fascinating discussion. And yes, the nature of ethical topicality was observed & lauded by RTD & Chibbers post-2015 (I love your descriptions @ps1l0v3y0u ) & whilst they tied up my favourite season (s 5) a little too speedily, @PS & @dentarthurdent I didn’t see it as a reset myself? But most definitely is Mavity a clue to ano…[Read more]

  • WhoHar replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @thane16 @dentarthurdent @janetteb @winston

    @ps1l0v3y0u

    It’s an interesting discussion.

    On the etymology of woke: IIRC it came out of the Civil rights movement in the US (pre-Covid) with the phrase “Stay woke” meaning stay awake i.e. be alert to what’s going on around you. It was taken on by liberals and it started to appear in the le…[Read more]

  • ps1l0v3y0u replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @thane16 @dentarthurdent @janetteb @whohar @winston

    Was RTD rubbing the viewers’ nose in it? Being ‘arsy’? Not arf!

    I’m not sure ‘woke’ would be anymore than a novel and obscure adjective if not for The Culture Warriors. Why persecute religious or racial targets when you can choose to denounce absolutely anyone who disagrees with you?

    Of co…[Read more]

  • Dentarthurdent replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @syzygy  @thane16   Oh yes those ‘cue cards’.   “Sorry for the loss of your friend/relative/pet.”   How Capaldi delivered those lines without cracking up I don’t know.  (Reminds me of those ‘personalised’ offers we used to get a few decades ago from Readers Digest and the like –  “Dear [Dentarthurdent], we are certain that you and your family a…[Read more]

  • winston replied to the topic The Winchester

    @janetteb    I hope you have a wonderful time and maybe some well deserved rest and relaxation.See you soon.

    don’t forget your sunscreen.

    stay safe

  • janetteB replied to the topic The Winchester

    Hi all

    I have been mostly lurking for the last few weeks as have had a lot on, first a writing festival then a fundraising quiz night. To do lists plastered all over my laptop. We had the quiz last night and this afternoon the S/9 and I are heading O/S to vietnam. Will be away for three weeks. Maybe there will be some exciting Dr Who news to come…[Read more]

  • syzygy replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    To me woke equals good manners and inclusivity. Thus it’s a good thing…. But it needs to be managed -I recall Pertwee being almost-“woke” sometimes & it worked. His expressions and his silence -the latter careful & convincing.

  • syzygy replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @winston halloo!! @ps1l0v3y0u @whohar @dentarthurdent

    yes, Moffat loved the humour & it’s what made it entertaining to me- thus rewatchable. I rewatched Listen and the Under the Lake 2-parter with 12’s “cards” that Clara organised.

    RTD did humour too. Once. And even though message-heavy Dr Who existed in the 60s it was clever, sardonic, mature,…[Read more]

  • Dentarthurdent replied to the topic On the Sofa 11

    @ps1l0v3y0u    I agree that Disney, with their tendency to milk old classics for all they’re worth, and cartoonise everything, was not a good fit.   And since their name was on it, I assume they vetoed anything too adult.   Their only plus is, they tend to be woke, and much as I deride that term and tendency, I guess it’s better than being bigot…[Read more]

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